11:31:42 From  donk  to  Everyone:
	Will section caps be used in degree planner?
11:32:21 From  raicher  to  Everyone:
	What about when a student has to retake a class, or even a semester, it seems clunky moving classes around, though maybe I am not doing it as efficiently as I could
11:32:22 From  donk  to  Everyone:
	yes
11:33:09 From  Jeff Walton  to  Everyone:
	Caps are enforced when student change their schedule in Self-Service
11:33:28 From  Nicholas Hunt-Bull  to  Everyone:
	ultimately the goal is to use degree planner to figure out _in advance_ what courses we should add sections of :)
11:33:41 From  Diane Litynski  to  Everyone:
	While I realize that the ultimate responsibility for course selection and program completion is the student's, but in reality, they will contact me, especially if they are 1-2 semesters from graduation.  Many times I will be creative, making substitutions, putting him/her into a related capstone (not the one indicated, etc) -- Who can I contact to make sure I haven't made a mess for the student?
11:34:10 From  Nolan Snyder  to  Everyone:
	You can contact me, Diane.
11:34:21 From  Diane Litynski  to  Everyone:
	Great - big help.
11:34:59 From  Kendra (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	I know that this is beyond degree planner, but there are a few components of the advising process that are extremely tedious that make me, personally, fatigued just thinking about continuing to navigate those persistent challenges as well as degree planner. For example - course substitution forms themselves being largely hard copies means it’s hard to track when/if students have actually submitted them, hard to remember what I’ve signed, etc. Resolving some of those dysfunctions of advising will help make this whole thing flow better, which presumably is the ultimate rationale for using DG over paper plans.
11:35:51 From  Kendra (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	In short, I’m asking is this debut/requirement of DG part of a larger advising overall?
11:36:39 From  Justin Waskiewicz  to  Everyone:
	if a student needs a special permission of any kind - a substitution or pre-requisite override, for example, will planner allow student/advisor to proceed with plan before those permissions are acquired? Can we play out a scenario that might involve a permission or do we have to get the permission before we can proceed with planning around it?
11:37:00 From  Andrew Andermatt  to  Everyone:
	ENG 210 and 211 have incorrect course titles
11:37:15 From  Nolan Snyder  to  Everyone:
	Thanks, Andrew, I'll look into that.
11:38:08 From  Nolan Snyder  to  Everyone:
	Kendra, I am not on the academic side but from my perspective I think a conversation about course substitutions is warranted. I see some odd things.
11:38:26 From  donk  to  Everyone:
	Is the advisor or the advisee responsible for maintaining their degree planner?
11:38:29 From  dnaybor  to  Everyone:
	How much are students pushed to set up degree planner?  I've had two students out of 30 say they even looked at it and haven't set it up.
11:38:44 From  Kendra (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	^^ what Deb said
11:38:48 From  Corey Laxson  to  Everyone:
	Where and when are students receiving thorough training on this?
11:39:21 From  Rebecca Romeo  to  Everyone:
	One hour in FYS is not enough training.
11:39:27 From  Nicholas Hunt-Bull  to  Everyone:
	yse
11:39:31 From  Nicholas Hunt-Bull  to  Everyone:
	*yes
11:39:31 From  Diane Litynski  to  Everyone:
	Agree with Rebi
11:39:45 From  Curt Stager  to  Everyone:
	If a student needs help with DP, are we the people they should contact with questions or is there someone designated as the student contact for DG questions?
11:40:18 From  Corey Laxson  to  Everyone:
	This needs to be a primary learning outcome in FYS, not just covered.
11:40:29 From  Jeff Walton  to  Everyone:
	Students are responsible for meeting degree requirements.  The DP is the tool *the student* can use to do that.
11:40:42 From  Catherine Lalonde  to  Everyone:
	The Peer Mentors in CACS all have training in using DP and can help students.
11:40:47 From  Nolan Snyder  to  Everyone:
	Curt, that would be me.
11:41:04 From  Curt Stager  to  Everyone:
	Thanks for the contact info!
11:41:07 From  Kendra (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	There are limitations with the peer mentors coming to classes to teach this.
11:41:15 From  Maureen Pellerin  to  Everyone:
	Curt - CACS staff and our Peer Mentors can help. If it's a technical issue, Nolan would be the appropriate.
11:42:09 From  dnaybor  to  Everyone:
	Can there be an assignment in FYS to actually set up their plan? I hate to put it on FYS instructors but unless it's required, it wont happen.
11:42:12 From  Kendra (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	It might make more sense to have a small group of super dialed in peer mentors that do the FYS trainings rather than all of the mentors. Then, perhaps, that smaller group would have more training and could help more?
11:42:26 From  Kendra (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	We do that already, Deb
11:42:34 From  Kendra (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	Well some of us do, not sure if it’s required.
11:43:09 From  Kendra (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	But again, the instructors (myself included) can’t really (yet?) facilitate the process super well
11:43:14 From  donk  to  Everyone:
	If Nolan sets up a degree plan for every entering student, that student could totally destroy it by "messing" around with it?
11:43:27 From  Nolan Snyder  to  Everyone:
	Don, yes, that is true.
11:43:34 From  Eric Holmlund  to  Everyone:
	Maybe offer a campus wide coaching session at the beginning of preregistration at common time in a big classroom?
11:43:42 From  Nolan Snyder  to  Everyone:
	That said, it is easy to rebuild the plan if that happens.
11:43:46 From  Catherine Lalonde  to  Everyone:
	And as with all assignments, the student also needs to follow through and complete it.
11:44:49 From  Catherine Lalonde  to  Everyone:
	Eric, I like that idea - I think it should be reinforced every fall with all students.
11:45:37 From  Rebecca Romeo  to  Everyone:
	Advisees could refuse to authorize self-service registration until the student has attended the training. I like the idea from Eric.
11:46:46 From  Maureen Pellerin  to  Everyone:
	CACS Peer Mentors have daily office hours and can be drop ins or appointments through Starfish and can work 1:1 with students on working through their plan. They've also hosted workshops and events for students focusing on this. Good suggestion - Kendra  - on the focused group. I'll definitely look into that!
11:47:49 From  donk  to  Everyone:
	Could Michael Wayne Hansen access degree planner at this moment and make changes while Melinda is doing the same thing?
11:48:45 From  Rebecca Romeo  to  Everyone:
	I have a student who dropped a class 3 days ago, but it is showing up in his degree planner plan now. What's the integration turn around time?
11:49:13 From  Melanie Johnson  to  Everyone:
	My understanding is that students are supposed to build this themselves, not have their advisor do it?
11:49:54 From  donk  to  Everyone:
	What Melanie said.
11:50:14 From  Craig Milewski  to  Everyone:
	yes, what Melanie said.
11:50:38 From  Jeff Walton  to  Everyone:
	Rebi, The integration will happen overnight.
11:51:05 From  Kendra (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	Sorry, so degree planner talks to self-service? Sorry if I missed that earlier, just want to clarify
11:51:13 From  Corey Laxson  to  Everyone:
	I hope so Its not possible for us as (advisors) to build this out, it will multiply our advising time by 5
11:51:54 From  Nolan Snyder  to  Everyone:
	Kendra, yes. Corey, students will already have plans created going forward. You may find upperclassmen that don't have one yet.
11:52:50 From  Eric Holmlund  to  Everyone:
	Nolan, to clarify, if a student or advisor changes a plan in DP, it doesn't change their registration status, correct? That requires Self SErvice cart approval, right?
11:53:26 From  Randall Swanson  to  Everyone:
	It seems like embracing the Degree Planner makes a big assumption that a student will actually be able to register for the courses that have been put into future semesters.
11:53:42 From  Lee Ann Sporn  to  Everyone:
	I'm confused at the fact that advisors (or students) can switch which plan is active.  Isn't that potentially problematic?  How is this linked to program change forms, etc.?
11:53:58 From  Jeff Walton  to  Everyone:
	Kendra, DP is updated with changes from Self-Service each night.  Changes in DP are not sent to Self-Service.  The communication is one way.
11:54:01 From  Nolan Snyder  to  Everyone:
	Eric, correct. At this time the Degree Planner does not actually register courses, it is just a plan.
11:54:05 From  Maureen Pellerin  to  Everyone:
	Eric- all registration and approval still happens in Self-Service
11:54:10 From  Rebecca Romeo  to  Everyone:
	Thank you.
11:54:23 From  Eric Holmlund  to  Everyone:
	Agree with Randall's concern. DP can't be relied on as a guarantee for future course offerings, correct Nolan?
11:54:42 From  Melanie Johnson  to  Everyone:
	I tried to incorporate degree planner this last semester, and it literally doubled my advising time with the students I worked with. We do NOT have time for that, so will need to re-visit number of advisees.
11:55:23 From  Jeff Walton  to  Everyone:
	Future course offering are based on historic course offerings.
11:55:29 From  Calli Shelton  to  Everyone:
	Mel, was that because of unfamiliarity with DP or something else?
11:57:07 From  Melanie Johnson  to  Everyone:
	The students did not have any idea how to work it, and it made it look like it was going to take them an extra year to graduate. I am pretty computer literate, so do not believe it was my unfamiliarity with DP.
11:57:49 From  Kendra’s iPhone  to  Everyone:
	Agreed.
11:58:42 From  Eric Holmlund  to  Everyone:
	Nicholas I saw in your powerpoint that the college will discontinue producing paper degree plans at a future semester - maybe even fall. Please clarify. Thanks!
11:59:37 From  Calli Shelton  to  Everyone:
	This is a training issue
12:00:47 From  Nicholas Hunt-Bull  to  Everyone:
	Eric H.--we will stop routinely providing those sheets, since the catalog plus DP is better than those and we cannot really do both approaches (paper and online) at the same time. in special cases (like someone with 45 transfer credits) folks will likely still get both to help them
12:00:48 From  Kelly Cerialo  to  Everyone:
	Thank you Melinda and Nolan!
12:00:50 From  donk  to  Everyone:
	Then that means the advisor is responsible
12:01:32 From  Nicholas Hunt-Bull  to  Everyone:
	lunch is available in ADK room if you want to join us there!
12:01:35 From  Joseph Henderson  to  Everyone:
	Thanks for this. Still feels like I have a ton to learn, but I am looking forward to moving away from plan sheets.
12:01:44 From  Eric Holmlund  to  Everyone:
	Thanks Nicholas. This is actually a practical stopping point that will push us to change. I think much of this is familiarity with the software, which should get better